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#1 2008-02-05 23:05:19

mealto
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Do you power down your DNS-323?

So how many of you power down your DNS-323 every night?

Powering up takes 5-10 minutes so that is a little slow but if the nit is kept permanently on, a power outage could take it out as well. What do you do?

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#2 2008-02-05 23:14:33

noodle
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

Why power it down? It suppose to spin down the HD, and the box itself use a few power. As long as box spin down the HD correctly, I don't think keep it running 24/7 is a problem.

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#3 2008-02-05 23:44:37

mealto
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

I noticed 1 other user indicating that after a power outage, the 323 auto power down function got messed up. That is why I was wondering how others deal with their 323's.

Anyone else here concerned that powering the unit 24/7 might be detrimental on a black or brown out?

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#4 2008-02-06 00:06:13

fordem
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

Power where I live is not particularly stable, on the average we see outages several times a week and sometimes several times a day - the length of the outage varies, most are around 5~10 minutes, occasionally they will last for several hours.

All computer equipment in my home office (except for the printers) are UPS protected, and the servers will automatically shutdown under UPS control, and start back up when power is restored.  One of the servers shuts down the DNS-323 using a script - but - since I have not found a way to switch the unit on when power is restored, it stays off until the next time I need it.

Depending on exactly what is happening at the time the power goes off you run the risk of losing part or all of the stored data.

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#5 2008-02-06 00:28:46

mealto
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

fordem wrote:

Depending on exactly what is happening at the time the power goes off you run the risk of losing part or all of the stored data.

Exactly, hence my original question asking how others deal with this. Trying to not have to pick up a UPS but that may be the only way.

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#6 2008-02-06 01:43:21

fordem
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

mealto

There is NO other way - you may not have the type of power that I do, but if you have an outage when you are writing to the unit, there is a better than 50% chance you're going to lose data - so now - you have to weigh the probability of an outage whilst you're writing to it.

For me the probability is quite high, so I have a UPS.

If your concern is the device losing power when left unattended, I think you're probably safe - if it's in sleep mode when the power goes out, chances of data loss are significantly lower.

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#7 2008-02-06 04:29:41

Grimham
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

My 323 stays off 75% of the time.  I only  turn it on if I need files stored on it or to stream movies.  It's funny you say yours takes 5-10 mins to boot.  Mine takes (hold on, I'm gonna time this)............44 seconds from the time I hit the power button to the time the light stops blinking and I can access the unit.  Running  2 Samsung 400gigs in RAID 1.  Do you have some fun plugs or something that increase the boot time that much?

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#8 2008-02-06 07:12:14

mealto
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

Grimham wrote:

My 323 stays off 75% of the time.  I only  turn it on if I need files stored on it or to stream movies.  It's funny you say yours takes 5-10 mins to boot.  Mine takes (hold on, I'm gonna time this)............44 seconds from the time I hit the power button to the time the light stops blinking and I can access the unit.  Running  2 Samsung 400gigs in RIAD 1.  Do you have some fun plugs or something that increase the boot time that much?

No plug ins here at all. Just running firmware 1.04. Boot up is pretty quick, about 30 secs but after that, both harddrive lights blink and I can hear the harddrive spin and work out for about 5-8 minutes. So you are saying this is not normal? What could be causing this?

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#9 2008-02-06 13:11:09

HaydnH
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

mealto wrote:

...both harddrive lights blink and I can hear the harddrive spin and work out for about 5-8 minutes. So you are saying this is not normal? What could be causing this?

Do you have a media server installed or use the default media server? It may be looking for media files etc...

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#10 2008-02-06 13:26:40

mihar
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

I leave my unit on 24/7 cept for the occasional reboots (which does not power down the unit)... My main concern is not so much the power consumption of the unit but rather the lifespan of the harddisk...

Do remember that if you're using (and most likely you are) consumer grade desktop harddisks, they are meant to be used on average for 8 hours a day... I have a Seagate 500gb (consumer grade) installed on my 323 but i'm seriously considering replacing it with the enterprise version... These are rated for 24/7 use and still carry the standard 5 year warranty... All other specs remain the same cept for the beforementioned durability... Of course, the cost of the enterprise version is higher but only marginally...

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#11 2008-02-06 13:51:51

fordem
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

mihar

There's a report somewhere on the net that was generated from statistics gathered by Google on the disk failures they experienced, I'll try to find it and post the link, but if I recall correctly, it completely blows away many of the accepted norms on hard disk drive life, MTBF, effects of temperature, etc.

The durability that you mention is most likely MTBF - mean time between failures - which is a manufacturer's projection and not an actual indicator of drive life.

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#12 2008-02-06 15:17:55

lelle
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

fordem wrote:

mihar

There's a report somewhere on the net that was generated from statistics gathered by Google on the disk failures they experienced, I'll try to find it and post the link, but if I recall correctly, it completely blows away many of the accepted norms on hard disk drive life, MTBF, effects of temperature, etc.

The durability that you mention is most likely MTBF - mean time between failures - which is a manufacturer's projection and not an actual indicator of drive life.

This one? http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf

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#13 2008-02-06 16:46:06

mihar
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

No i'm not referring to MTBF values posted by manufacturers... I'm referring to real life personal experience...

My pc is on 24/7 with constant read and write... I will usually notice signs of impending hardware failure after maybe about 3 to 4 years which is still within the warranty period... This is based on the consumer grade harddisks that i use...

Thus far, seagate and western digital has been my preferred brand of choice for consumer grade storage... They last pretty long and rarely have i experienced catastrophic failures... My worst experience was with IBM (deathstar)... They lasted me only 2 years and it failed spectacularly... No chance to save the data... With the seagates and western digital, i can usually salvage the data and then use the disks for non critical use like usb disk...

I still have a Western Digital 5400rpm yanked out of my 2001 Dell desktop which i noticed signs of failure... Having extracted what i needed, i used it as a spare F: for downloads... Apparently it still works fine till today...

The fact of the matter is that no matter what kind of harddisks you use, consumer or enterprise, failure is imminent at some point... But at least with enterprise, you know it was designed and built for round the clock use, as in my case...

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#14 2008-02-06 16:58:08

fordem
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

That was not the report I saw, but it does appear to have been the source of the data for what may have been an article - so to all intents & purposes, I will say - yes - that one.

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#15 2008-02-06 17:20:23

mig
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

mihar wrote:

... I will usually notice signs of impending hardware failure after maybe about 3 to 4 years ...

I'm curious, what are the signs that you notice, which indicate impending hardware failure?


DNS-323 • 2x Seagate Barracuda ES 7200.10 ST3250620NS 250GB SATAII (3.0Gb/s) 7200RPM 16MB • RAID1 • FW1.03 • ext2 
Fonz's v0.3 fun_plug http://www.inreto.de/dns323/fun-plug

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#16 2008-02-06 19:05:48

mealto
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

HaydnH wrote:

mealto wrote:

...both harddrive lights blink and I can hear the harddrive spin and work out for about 5-8 minutes. So you are saying this is not normal? What could be causing this?

Do you have a media server installed or use the default media server? It may be looking for media files etc...

The unit is new and I did not even have a chance to setup media servers yet. But after your comment, I went in to check and both UPnP & iTunes servers were enabled. I have disabled them so let's see what happens on the next reboot. By the way,

1. If you run I do have iTunes on various computers on the network, will the itunes servre copy music files to the 323? Is this what the itunes server is for?

2. Is the UPnP server for streaming? Is this so that other computers can stream media from other machines on the network without having to download the entire video first?

Thanks!

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#17 2008-02-06 19:45:01

HaydnH
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

2) Yes, this is what it's for.

1) I don't know too much about the iTunes server but I think it's similar to the upnp server.

People have used both of these with varying success, so a lot of people use third party mediaservers like Twonky, mediatomb, firefly etc.

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#18 2008-02-06 19:59:24

mealto
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

Thanks for the reply HaydnH. I used neither but by default, both were enabled! That was causing the 323's boot up time to increase as there was about 5 minutes of activity after the normal boot up sequence. Went and disabled both of them.

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#19 2008-02-06 21:43:29

mihar
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

mig wrote:

mihar wrote:

... I will usually notice signs of impending hardware failure after maybe about 3 to 4 years ...

I'm curious, what are the signs that you notice, which indicate impending hardware failure?

In general, clicking sounds... Unusually long load times... Intermittent failure to boot the OS... Getting SMART error messages...

Once any of these happens, i immediately do a backup... There could also be other indications like bad sectors... These multiply quite rapidly once detected...

Except for that damn IBM harddisk which crashed without any warning....

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#20 2008-02-06 21:47:15

mihar
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

mealto wrote:

Thanks for the reply HaydnH. I used neither but by default, both were enabled! That was causing the 323's boot up time to increase as there was about 5 minutes of activity after the normal boot up sequence. Went and disabled both of them.

I believe the longer boot time when the iTunes and UPnP option is turned on is due to the DNS refreshing the file list on the disk... Quite normal actually... But since you power down the device quite often, it can be annoying to wait when starting it again...

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#21 2008-02-07 07:27:46

leftkidney
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

yes I have to the crappy firmware (I have reinstalled it many times and the same thing happens) never lets it turn off using the power management feature

even if I have the network cable unpluged!

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#22 2008-02-07 13:49:31

fordem
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

@leftkidney - how about you open a new thread, post the details there and let's see if someone can help you figure it out.

We'll need some details, what firmware, fun_plug, any other hacks, etc.

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#23 2008-02-07 23:33:08

Ardjan
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Registered: 2007-12-14
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

mealto wrote:

So how many of you power down your DNS-323 every night?

I do. Due to place considerations, I have a small computer workplace in a corner of the bedroom. So I want it to be absolutely silent during the night. My new PC is a super silent one, barely audible. But unfortunately, the DNS323 is much to loud to leave it running. I just did a backup of my data, the fan switched to high, and didn't go down since at least 30 minutes after the HDs spun down...

I am currently looking for a silent fan solution, so maybe I can leave it on during the night, but I might switch to some other device...

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#24 2008-02-08 11:54:56

leftkidney
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

as of now I have no hacks done

stock firmware

I want to hack it but havent got around to soldering the RS-232 port on

I really am waiting for a firmware type of hack like the WRT54G routers have, all you got to do is update the firmware and then it is hacked, whats the problem with this?

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#25 2008-02-08 14:33:23

fordem
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Re: Do you power down your DNS-323?

leftkidney wrote:

as of now I have no hacks done

stock firmware

I want to hack it but havent got around to soldering the RS-232 port on

I really am waiting for a firmware type of hack like the WRT54G routers have, all you got to do is update the firmware and then it is hacked, whats the problem with this?

The idea behind my suggestion of a new thread is to avoid cluttering this one unnecessarily.

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