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#1 2008-11-18 01:49:13

kaymm2
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Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

What's the fastest way to upgrade my 2x500GB RAID1 setup to 2x1000GB without losing any data? 

Can you remove one 500GB drive, plug in one 1000GB, and set it up as 2 separate volumes, then copy stuff from 500GB->1000GB, and then remove 500GB.  Plug in other 1000GB drive and tell the DNS to use both as RAID1?

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#2 2008-11-18 04:23:24

trepex
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

Yeeeeeah I'd recommend NOT trying this.  I tried to pull off a similar upgrade but I ended up with a frigging mess.  I finally gave up, backed everything up, then started from scratch.

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#3 2008-11-18 07:41:01

kaymm2
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

What taking out the 500GB, plugging it into a linux box, put the 2x1000GB drives into the DNS, configure it as RAID1 then copy it back on there?

The problem is I don't have 500GB of space to back it up to...

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#4 2008-11-18 19:35:55

mig
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

If you had a SATA HD USB enclosure, you could attach one of the 500GB disks directly
to the DSN-323 via the USB connection and copy the data to the 1TB RAID1 drives.


DNS-323 • 2x Seagate Barracuda ES 7200.10 ST3250620NS 250GB SATAII (3.0Gb/s) 7200RPM 16MB • RAID1 • FW1.03 • ext2 
Fonz's v0.3 fun_plug http://www.inreto.de/dns323/fun-plug

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#5 2008-11-18 19:43:41

kaymm2
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

Thanks.  Never thought about using that method but is the USB port 2.0?  If it's 1.1, it would take a very long time to copy 500GB of data.

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#6 2008-11-18 20:27:20

mig
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

kaymm2 wrote:

Thanks.  Never thought about using that method but is the USB port 2.0?  If it's 1.1, it would take a very long time to copy 500GB of data.

It's USB 2.0 - http://dns323.kood.org/hardware:usb


DNS-323 • 2x Seagate Barracuda ES 7200.10 ST3250620NS 250GB SATAII (3.0Gb/s) 7200RPM 16MB • RAID1 • FW1.03 • ext2 
Fonz's v0.3 fun_plug http://www.inreto.de/dns323/fun-plug

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#7 2008-11-18 20:44:34

blahsome
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

Provided that you install additional software (e.g. ffp, etc) if not already done so. The DNS-323 does not have built-in support for external USB drives.

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#8 2008-11-20 01:55:45

kaymm2
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

I think i'll go the external USB route to copy the files.   My current DNS has ffp installed.   Thanks guys.

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#9 2008-12-01 20:56:19

PaulieG
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

I'm upgrading Hitachi P7K500 500GB drives in RAID1 to Samsung HD103UJ 1TB drives in the NAS with FW 1.05, so I'm faced with the exact same scenario.  Is there a howto for doing this kind of upgrade?  I removed one of the Hitachis and tried to mount it on Ubuntu but though the drive showed up, it couldn't mount the partition for some reason.  I shall try again manually specifying ext2, as seen in some of the posts.  My crappy nGear USB enclosure only works once in a while so I'm not sure I can try the ffp method.  Which method would be faster though?
Also, is the general consensus that it's better to run two drives and sync daily instead of RAID1?

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#10 2008-12-01 22:43:35

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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

PaulieG wrote:

Also, is the general consensus that it's better to run two drives and sync daily instead of RAID1?

No. They accomplish different objectives. For more information, consult fordem (or his signature).

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#11 2008-12-01 22:47:31

kaymm2
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

I haven't done mine yet, no time, but I think what you would do is pull out both 500GBs.  put in the new 1TB drives and setup as new RAID1.  Then put one of the 500GB into a usb enclosure and then plug it to the DNS323's usb port and then mount in linux and copy over the stuff.

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#12 2008-12-01 23:46:44

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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

jmjansen00:  I don't really want to risk something happening to the 500G drive still in the NAS, while I take the other one out and format it.  Instead, I was going to copy everything from the NAS to the 1TB HD, then verify, then format ONE of the 500's, copy copy the stuff to it, verify, then set up the 1TB RAID1, then copy it there.  It just seems like an awful lot of work, hence I was searching for a better way.

kaymm2:  Yes, assuming you can mount one of the drives.  Hardy Heron didn't mount the partition, though it recognized the drive.  Will have to try this again.

blahsome:  Thanks, I'm familiar with fordem's signature.  I think rsync'ing two hard drives provides redundancy just as RAID1 does, though not instantaneously.  I've always had RAID1, but now I'm leaning toward the other option because I don't really need redundancy for ISOs that I have backed up on optical media.  It's nice to have them on the NAS for convenience, that's all.

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#13 2008-12-02 00:44:46

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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

jmjansen00:  Indeed, hence the step where I copy the stuff from 1TB back to one of the 500s, maybe you missed that in my previous post.  Too many steps...

On a positive note, I was able to mount one of the 500s in Ubuntu, but it had to be done manually, so this won't be as much work as I'd thought.  I'd like to keep the timestamps, so cp -R --preserve=timestamps does the trick nicely.

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#14 2008-12-02 01:00:14

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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

PaulieG wrote:

blahsome:  Thanks, I'm familiar with fordem's signature.  I think rsync'ing two hard drives provides redundancy just as RAID1 does, though not instantaneously.  I've always had RAID1, but now I'm leaning toward the other option because I don't really need redundancy for ISOs that I have backed up on optical media.  It's nice to have them on the NAS for convenience, that's all.

You may be familiar with my signature, but it's quite clear that you don't understand it - rsync'ing two hard drives can provide data backup, but never disk redundancy - the big difference is that with redundant disks a disk failure does not bring the system down and no data is lost as a result of the disk failure, whereas with your rsync'd disks, failure of the primary disk will cause both.

With RAID1 - the failure of either disk results in an alert being sent to the system administrator - the users are unaware of the failure.

With an "rsynced pair" the failure of the primary disk will result with all processing ceasing until the system administrator either replaces the failed disk and restores the data - or - remaps the share to point to the secondary disk - in either case - ALL - data saved after the last sync point will be lost, if the secondary disk fails there is no impact.

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#15 2008-12-02 18:02:30

PaulieG
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Re: Upgrading 500GB to 1TB

fordem:  I stand corrected.  Thank you for the explanation, even unsolicited explanations are always welcome in my book.  I used some sloppy language to express myself, inadvertently contributing to the pervasive confusion on the topic. 
What I meant to say is that an rsync'ing causes files to be stored on two different physical devices, so that if one fails, all the data that was present at last sync is recoverable.  Also, if the frequency of updates to the stored data is low (as in my case), the advantage of RAID1 over this scheme diminishes, especially when one is not concerned with the possibility of not being able to access the data during the time between a failure and operator intervention.  Although rsync'ing from one drive in the NAS to the other is accurately called a backup, I will be much more comfortable when I set up mutual rsync'ing with a NAS in different physical location.
I decided to set up the 1TB drives as RAID1.  Disk space is cheap nowadays.

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