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#1 2009-08-13 18:34:28

amenzan
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Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

Have firmware 1.06 and one Seagate 1.5TB drive working good on the router ... two problems:

a)  Due to enormous amount of data on my main PC, and the fact my PC is quite a distance from my wireless router, getting the first backup of 500Gb done is taking a long time over the wireless network (i get between 600-1200 kbps transfer rate), and I never seem to get the backup finished as things keep changing on the PC whilst the backup is happening (I use SyncBack SE from brightsparks.com).

So I decided to direct attach the DNS-323 to the main PC to get the first backup done quickly. However, firstly there's nothing about this in the manual, except for one line somewhere where it talks about being able to direct attach for configuration purposes. When I connected the DNS-323 to the PC with an ethernet cable it won't recognise the drive. The DNS Easy Search Utility seems to find the hard drive, but doesn't allow me to map it or configure. Typing 192.168.0.32 or 0.1 into a browser does nothing.

So ... how does one direct attach the DNS-323 and get it working?

b)  A second laptop using Vista Ultimate is ultra slow when attaching to the DNS-323. Slow, sometimes doesn't find it, takes 2-3 minutes to refresh a directory, etc. I wouldn't even attempt a backup at the moment sad My other (main) PC is much more stable and much faster (use Vista Home Edition). A 3rd PC with XP Home is also fine ... in fact I find this one the best and most stable. Any ideas?

Help! smile) Thx.

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#2 2009-08-13 18:48:42

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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

There is NO way to directly attach (ie without using a network) the DNS-323 to a computer - you can however connect the network directly between the DNS-323 and your computer without a hub, router or switch in between - provided that you set appropriate static addresses

For the initial setup with a direct ethernet connection (and if also if you do not set a static ip address - which you would be well advised to do), the DNS-323 will default to 192.168.0.32, however, you will be unable to access it if you do not also set a similar (ie within the same network range) static ip address on your computer.

For what it's worth - for anything other than the most miniscule amounts of data, you'll probably find NAS access over a wireless LAN (even the latest, greatest wireless-n) unacceptably slow and possibly quite unreliable.

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#3 2009-08-13 21:21:11

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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

Yes, it makes sense that you can't just cable directly between the DNS-323 and the PC's ethernet port as there's no hub, router or bridge.

Ok, so I had an old Netgear 4-port Hub and a Buffulo Airstation 4-port wireless router. First I tried the 'dumb' Netgear 4-port Hub and that didn't really seem to make an awful lot of difference (but that might be because of what i found out below ...)

Then I setup the Buffulo Airstation and hard cabled the PC and the DNS-323 to it. Once I remembered what the security password was (smile) I connected. Then refreshing the D-Link Easy Search utility found the DNS-323 but I still couldn't a) configure it, or b) map a drive (these functions were greyed out).

It wasn't until I unloaded the D-Link Easy Search utility and then reloaded it that it all started to work. So now I have the directly attached DNS-323 (via a router).

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction ....

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#4 2009-10-26 15:33:02

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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

Hi! I have the same problem with the DNS-343 and Windows 7 Ultimate....
I read somewhere on internet that since the NAS is like a PC, to connect directly without a router to a PC, a cross-over cable should be used.
I will try this and see what happens. I have problems using the 192.168.0.x IP adresses for this sub-network, because my WiFi network uses it on same PC... But maybe if the NAS connects again with the 192.168.0.32, I could try to temporarily delete the wireless network, so that the direct PC-NAS network could use it, then assign new IP addresses to to NAS-PC and reuse the original Wifi network setup.
I also read on the internet (wikipedia this time) that such a crossover relation should have each device pointing to each other in terms od Default Gateway address....
I do not know, I am not an expert, but I will try and let you know if it works...

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#5 2009-10-27 00:08:31

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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

Ok... I did exactly what I described in the previous message... and now browse to the NAS for Configuration.
BUT: I cannot mount the volumes in the NAS in windows...
Actually if I use the Easy Search Utility, I see the volumes, but when I try to mount them in Windows I get an error saying "Failed to map drive"...
And If I try to browse the network, I don't even see the NAS... not to say the volumes!
What is wrong? I have no idea!

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#6 2009-10-27 04:35:58

fordem
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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

First - I suggest you forget about "directly connecting" your PC and the DNS-323 to one another - there is no performance gain to be achieved - just plug them both into your router and configure as per the manual.

To deal with the specific issues.

1) A cross-over cable is not required - it will work, but is not required.
2) if you are going to connect the DNS-323 directly to your computer you will need to set suitable static ip addresses on one or both devices - assuming the DNS-323 does not have a static ip address configured, in the absence of a DHCP server it will default to 192.168.0.32 and you can use any other address in the 192.168.0.x network range on the computer.

Do not attempt to configure two network cards in one computer with ip addresses in the same network - the results will probably not be what you expect - it's not that it can't be done, but unless you know what you're doing and why you're doing it, then don't.

3 - default gateway addresses are not required unless you are attempting to access another network.

If you can see the NAS using the ESU but not map a drive, or see the NAS when browsing, you most likely have an issue with the ip addressing - take the easy way out - plug the NAS & the PC into your router.

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#7 2009-10-27 15:11:52

nencio
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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

Fordem, first of all thank you for your answer!
I understand you point.... but I want to try for 2 reasons:
1) I want to use the NAS for storing large video files to use on a PC connected to TV.
2) On my PC I have a Gigabit 1000 Ethernet card, which I suppose can give me higher transfer speeds than the Wireless router/modem that I normally use to go on internet (100mps).
To briefly explane: the wireless router works on the network with IP addresses 192.168.0.x sub 255.255.255.0.
I managed to configure the Gigabit Ethernet card and the NAS with different IP addresses (xxx.xxx.xxx.1 fo the PC and xxx.xxx.xxx.2 for the NAS; subnet 255.255.0.0; no Gateway on both; no DNS on both). They are connected with a crossover cable. Tonight I wil try also with a normal patch cable.
As you rightly understood: I can see the NAS using ESU and I can browse with IE to its IP address.... but ESU can't mount the volumes as drive X/Y/Z in Windows 7...
I can't see any problem in this network setup (except no Gateway and DNS, which should not be needed in this situation), but maybe you can!
Maybe the NAS was not really made to work on direct connection with the PC... if this the case, maybe a sw upgrade from Dlink could solve the problem...
Thank you for any possible consideration!!!

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#8 2009-10-28 00:52:47

fordem
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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

I have two comments ...

First - if you want a drive directly attached to your computer - buy a USB or firewire external drive - what you have is a NAS - Network Attached Storage - it's meant to be used on a network.

Second - if your network is too slow, then fix the network - buy a cheap gigabit switch - how about $29 for a D-Link DGS2205 or $33 for a Netgear GS-605 - I charge more than that for the time it'll take to talk you through getting a direct connection running.

Last edited by fordem (2009-10-28 00:53:42)

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#9 2009-10-30 12:48:51

nencio
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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

Ok... The NAS can give me higher capacity and RAID features that a normal USB or Firewire drive does not have, and in case later I want, I can use it attached to a router. Impossible to read DVD ISO files from the NAS on WIFI: the wifi router is NOT attached to the PC, and even if it is Wireless N, I took more than 1 day to copy through WIFI 350 Gb of datas... Now that I was able to attach the NAS to the PC, it took less than 1 hour.
So here's how I did it....

Ok... I found the solution myself.
ESU could mount the volumes (the day I tried, the DNS-343 was probably busy doing something and did not allow it!).
After that, I found another problem: I was not able copying any file to the volumes on the NAS!!! 
Ok.... I started looking on internet for problems related to connecting Windows to Linux based devices.
After 1 hour of searching, I found this page on the internet... and I followed their suggestion.
The page is this: www.sevenforums.com/.../3737-samba-netw … s-7-a.html
EVERYTHING FINE NOW!!! 

Hope this helps somebody else with my problem too!

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#10 2009-10-30 18:58:10

fordem
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Re: Direct Attach and Slow with Vista Ultimate

Good to hear you got it working - however I'll just draw a couple of things to your attention....

First it took me less than 30 seconds on Google to find a dual bay SATA external drive enclosure with USB connectivity & RAID - not only is it cheaper than a DNS-323, but it is probably faster - and - since it supports a pair of SATA II drives, whatever capacity you can get into your 323, you can probably get into this box as well.

So - the only advantage of a NAS is shared access.

Second - I don't see how your comment on wireless & wireless-n relate to this - wired will always be faster than wireless, and it is YOU who has to make that decision.

On the solution - let's just say I have used my DNS-323 with every version of Windows since Windows 98SE and had no difficulties.

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