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#1 2008-02-15 16:21:49

RealtorKen
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Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

Ok, up until now I always considered myself pretty computer savvy and when someone needed general computer help they came to me.  My 2 500gb Seagates are being delivered today and the DND-323 is already on my desk and I still have no clue after reading and reading all these so called "Novice Setup" instructions.

Yes, I knew about RAID-1 and planned on using it until I saw a lot of you just running the script to back-up "A" to "B" at regular intervals and saying how much easier recovery would be. 

Perhaps, I just got ahead of myself... Let me describe my needs and wants as well as current setup.

Our setup...

I have a laptop, wife has a desktop, we have a PS3 and theoretically just want to share media files between the 3, with of course a little sense of security with backing up. With an occasional log in to the home NAS from the office.   I have about 80-100 gigs in iTunes and videos.  Network wise I have the DIR-655 coming off the cable modem and the DAP-1555 on the wall with all the TV components.

That said, I know I am supposed to be installing FunPlug and that seems pretty straight forward...  The problem around here is there is not a BASIC thread as to should I make both drives completely RAID-1 or should I just back-up "A" to "B".  Basically what I am saying with more and more people like me getting NAS devices, I think your WIKI or at least a thread in here needs to be a little more idiot friendly.

How would I best be served storage and back-up wise with the DNS-323...  I know it's up to the user but if the user doesn't know better what would be an "Optimal Setup for Idiots"?

Sorry about the babble...

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#2 2008-02-15 17:28:02

fordem
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

First - fun_plug is completely optional - don't use it unless you need to, don't install it until you have reached some level of comfort using the device as intended by D-Link.

Take your DNS-323 out of the box, install the drives, plug it into your network and plug the power in.  Load Easy Search and it should find the DNS-323 - set a suitable static ip address on it, format the disks as required and start using it.

Personally I don't see the point in using RAID1 if you're going to use it as backup storage, but if you're going to use it as a media server, you need to weigh the cost of the storage space against the value you place on the stored media and the time it will take you to replace it.

In a ideal environment, you will own the media you will store and serve from the device, but it will most likely be on CDs and DVDs and there will be a "time related cost" involved in ripping it and transferring it to the media server for future use.

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#3 2008-02-15 17:58:50

blbrown
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

I think the best option here is to have people link in references to whatever might help you.  It takes a long time to write out all of the nitty-gritty steps, and the various "add-ons" for the DNS-323 are really championed by different people with various goals.  Here's my opinion of what you need:


- install your two drives
   - my opinion based on my own experience is that it's easier and seems more robust to install both drives and format them in "Standard" mode, meaning they are two separate volumes and two separate shares on the network
   - use the first disk (_right_ side of the box, also called HD_a2) for running hacks and sharing data on your network
   - use the second disk purely as a backup

- upgrade to the latest firmware
   - get the official v1.04 from D-Link if you're in the US
   - reformat your drives after upgrading, even though this isn't strictly necessary

- install basic fun_plug package
   - fun_plug is the start of getting into the DNS-323 with a command-line interface and being able to enable "add-ons" (hacks)
   - best option by far is fonz' package
   - where to get fonz' package and basic instructions: http://www.inreto.de/dns323/fun-plug/
   - thread discussing it: http://dns323.kood.org/forum/t422-Updated-fun_plug.html
   - my own version of the instructions: http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/i … ion01.html
   - alternative manual method: http://dns323.kood.org/howto:fun_plug

- (very optional) use a USB key (flash drive) to run your hacks and fun_plug
   - this helps your drives only spin up when they are reading/writing data and separates your hacks from your data
   - one howto: http://dns323.kood.org/howto:external_drive
   - my own version of the instructions: http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/i … on01a.html

- start system for backing up first drive (HD_a2) to second drive (HD_b2)
   - simplest/easiest method is to follow these instructions: http://dns323.kood.org/forum/t1150-Tuto … night.html
   - if you want a fancier way of backing up, I wrote something up, too: http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/
   - other "dumber" methods are also available, such as just using a Windows backup program to copy from one volume to the other; this has the main disadvantage of being slower and less reliable since it depends on the Windows machine to pass all the data through

- change from the built-in uPnP server to a better one that supports the PS3
   - here's where I don't have any experience
   - try searching for PS3 in the forum
   - I think firefly and mediatomb are the two top contenders...


In the future, hopefully some of these things will be packaged up into more formal add-ons.  Here's a thread about doing this:
http://dns323.kood.org/forum/t1523-%28A … cture.html

I'm sure others can contribute more...

Last edited by blbrown (2008-02-15 18:00:28)

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#4 2008-02-15 20:37:45

RealtorKen
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

Thank you both very much for your quick responses!!

Unfortunately the Seagate drive I got today is already making a clicking noise...Grrr    Back it goes

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#5 2008-02-15 21:20:54

mealto
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

To add on the great advice given here already, I also use the 323 as a backup file server with 2 hard drives. I started out running Raid 1 but have since switch to Standard. I use software to schedule my backups from the LAN to Drive A. Then also schedule a run right after the backups to copy files from Drive A to Drive B. This way, I am never tied to a 500 Gig Raid array. When a new disk is required or when larger drives drop in price, all I do is replace one of the drives and I benefit from the larger storage space. Once the drive backups are complete, I pop in a 2nd larger drive and the system just increased in capacity without reformatting / rebuilding Raid arrays.

I don't use the Drive A to B schema as described in the long thread. I use a 3rd party software to schedule and run my backups so I can easily control when and where files go. Not being linux knowledgeable, I use a piece of Windows based backup software.

Sounds like we are in the same boat. Hope this can help.

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#6 2008-02-15 23:17:56

mealto
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

blbrown wrote:

- if you want a fancier way of backing up, I wrote something up, too: http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/

I have been checking your software out but have not installed it yet. So does backupnetclone copy from Drive A to Drive B without going over the network? meaning, transfer speeds should be pretty darn fast right?

Also, is it a Windows program? Would love to try it out but not knowledgeable enough in ssh commands.

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#7 2008-02-15 23:49:04

blbrown
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

mealto wrote:

blbrown wrote:

- if you want a fancier way of backing up, I wrote something up, too: http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/

I have been checking your software out but have not installed it yet. So does backupnetclone copy from Drive A to Drive B without going over the network? meaning, transfer speeds should be pretty darn fast right?

Also, is it a Windows program? Would love to try it out but not knowledgeable enough in ssh commands.

BackupNetClone is a Linux program (actually a set of scripts)--it runs natively on the DNS-323 and can back up files within the DNS-323 or from anywhere else onto the DNS-323.  I'll tell you up front that it takes some time and effort to do the install.  Also the instructions on my webpage aren't yet complete--you can always ask questions, but it will take some effort on your part to fill in the blanks...

As for speed and reliability, it should be the same as the http://dns323.kood.org/forum/t1150-Tuto … night.html  The nice thing about this method (rsync on the DNS-323 directly between the two disks, whether using BackupNetClone or the forum tutorial) is it doesn't depend on anything else--it can be totally disconnected from the network and still do its internal backup.

It should be very fast going from disk to disk, but I haven't done any actual benchmarks on this.  Has anyone else tested this?

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#8 2008-02-16 10:34:32

mig
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

To add to all this great advice, I'd like to give a vote of confidence for RAID1.

RealtorKen - like you I bought the DNS-323 specifically because it had RAID1.
It is easy to feel like, if you have RAID1, then all your data is safe and protected
from any problem.  Well, that is not true.  You need a variety of solutions to protect
your data from the various failures you expect to recover from.

You need to understand RAID1 only provides uninterrupted access to your data in
the event  of a single hard drive failure -- and that is all RAID1 can do.  RAID1 is NOT
a backup or data protection solution.

I operate a RAID1 because I want the security in knowing, when I'm away at work,
if (when) a hard drive fails, my wife and kids will still have access to the data
stored on the DNS-323.  And during whatever time it takes me to replace the
drive hardware, the data will always be available.

If you can tolerate the down time it takes to restore your data from backup or
purchase replacement hardware, then you have no hard need to run a RAID1.

I have another older, single drive, NAS (Buffalo Tech Linkstation Pro) , that performs
nightly, weekly, and monthly backups of the data on the DNS-323, using "rsnapshot".
This is my backup solution to protect against accidental file deletion or file corruption.

If my DNS-323 hardware fails, I can use Ext2 Installable File System For Windows
www.fs-driver.org to mount either drive from my DNS-323 on my winXP machine
(or natively mount the drive to the Linkstation Pro)  in a USB case, to allow access to
the data, while I replace the DNS-323 hardware.  This is my solution to recover from a
hardware failure on the DNS-323.

I use an APC UPS (monitored by the Linkstation Pro) to provide power to the DNS-323
in the (very likely, in my area) event of a power failure.  If the main power fails, the
Linkstation Pro will signal the DNS-323 to shutdown properly.  This is my solution to protect
against a power failure.

You see it take a variety of solution to protect your data, each target against a specific
failure.  I currently have no off site backups.  If my house was to burn down, I would lose
all my data.  I don't expect to recover any data in the event of a house fire, because I
haven't protected against that.

The most important thing about protecting your data is to anticipate failure scenarios and
asses your tolerance to lost of data, if you experience that failure.  Then, before the failure
actually occurs, PRACTICE recovering from that failure to prove to yourself your recovery
procedure is sound.

IMHO, that is how to "...best be served storage and back-up wise"

Last edited by mig (2008-02-17 08:37:03)


DNS-323 • 2x Seagate Barracuda ES 7200.10 ST3250620NS 250GB SATAII (3.0Gb/s) 7200RPM 16MB • RAID1 • FW1.03 • ext2 
Fonz's v0.3 fun_plug http://www.inreto.de/dns323/fun-plug

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#9 2008-02-16 18:52:15

i2Paq
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

blbrown wrote:

- my own version of the instructions: http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/i … ion01.html
...

I had a look at you instructions but some parts are missing, I get a 404 error.

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#10 2008-02-16 19:19:32

blbrown
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Re: Novice setup tips seem too advanced....Am I in over my head?

i2Paq wrote:

blbrown wrote:

- my own version of the instructions: http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/i … ion01.html
...

I had a look at you instructions but some parts are missing, I get a 404 error.

Yes, I haven't completed writing the instructions yet.  I hack away at it a little at a time, but in the meantime I've provided my rough notes that you can use.  (For example, on step 2b http://backupnetclone.sourceforge.net/i … on02b.html I have a link to a text file near the top that has all the commands I used but doesn't explain them much.)  I'm sorry for that this currently limits BackupNetClone to those who are semi-familiar with Linux.  When the instructions are completed I'll post a new forum entry to update anyone interested.

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