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#1 2007-03-07 20:04:57

St0o
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ext3 removal in latest firmware

Hi I just bought this device yeaterday. I have installed one 500gb sataII (speed limiter jumper removed)

I have quite a few questions hope you can help.

1. Does the device support sataII will it be using all the bandwidth?
2. I FORMATTED WITH THE EXT3 FILE SYSTEM, NOW ITS BEEN REMOVED IN THE LATEST FIRMWARE? WHY?
3. I transferred 150GB from a pc with 300gb IDE HDD to the DSN-323 accross the network through the router (all hardlines no wireless) it took approx 6 hours!!?!? is this too slow? is it to do with the EXT3 file system?
4. Is there a big difference in performance between EXT2+3
5. Should I /Can I upgrade to the latest firmware?
6. Or should I back up the data, re-format with EXT2 and update the firmware?
7. Or can I change from EXT3 to 2 without losing data?
8. Or finally should I just leave it how it is?

Alot of questions I know but I dont want to waste another 6 hours and I want to know if it is running as well as it should?

Thanks

Last edited by St0o (2007-03-07 20:06:09)

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#2 2007-03-07 20:44:06

St0o
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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

Ok I read up and i've decided to reformat with Ext2. Should I see a performance increase?

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#3 2007-03-08 08:07:45

Apskaft
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Registered: 2007-01-09
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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

St0o wrote:

3. I transferred 150GB from a pc with 300gb IDE HDD to the DSN-323 accross the network through the router (all hardlines no wireless) it took approx 6 hours!!?!? is this too slow? is it to do with the EXT3 file system?

It depends on your cables and router capabilites. The DNS-323 supports GigaBit (1000Mbps) and most often, home equipment is 10 or 100 Mbit. If you have 100 Mbit equipment then you can reach a theoretical limit of 12,5Mbyte/s (100Mbit/8) but in reality you'll end up at ~7-8Mbyte/s - depending on file size.

The specs for DNS-323 says 23Mbyte/s read and 15 Mbyte/s for write. But this will only be reached  at very special conditions. SmallNetBuilder has a good review of the unit with some figures.

(((150GB/6)/60)/60) = 6'944'444 bytes/s so I guess you're running on a 100Mbit LAN. Put a GigaBit switch between the NAS and your PC and you'll get better figures. Maybe 4 hours instead wink

I doubt you'll see any differences using SATA-I or SATA-II externally, but might have better figures internally - e.g. when coping a file from HDD_1 to HDD_2.

/Apan

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#4 2007-03-08 13:20:54

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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

Yeah, I'm getting a Gigabit switch soon, and right after that a decent sized harddrive to install in the unit. Soon thereafter, budget permitting, a second drive. Hello Raid 1.

Right now, with an old disk, WRT54GL router and quite long cables, I'm getting 4-5 MB/s at most.

How are these cheapo GB switches holding up BTW? Like Dlink 5-port, or the 3Com 5-port (the new small, dark plastic one)? They spec something about 1 or two queues etc, whats that all about and does that impact on my (rather small) network in terms of speed?

//epatnor


DNS-323 • 2x Samsung SpinPoint T166 HD321KJ 320GB@1.5Gb/s • RAID1 + Linear • 1.02b • ext2

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#5 2007-03-08 13:39:10

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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

St0o wrote:

Alot of questions I know but I dont want to waste another 6 hours and I want to know if it is running as well as it should?

Thanks

Actually, I am wondering if the unit is performing the way it's suppsed, too. Maybe We should start another thread about this...

Please enter my mental space regarding this device:

1. I love the fact that this website, and all the hard working people in it, exists. Thanks for all the help, awesome work and ideas you people put in here.
2. New features are great, either from D-Link or (more probably) the minds on this forum.
3. The hardware could not have been much better. IMHO though, they could have fitted a larger, more silent, and more efficient fan on the device. And better silicone feet maybe wink.

4. ------->   BUT IS MY DATA SAFE!?! (with good quality HD:s, latest FW, Raid 1)

I mean, if the device was working FLAWLESSLY with the current feature set, I would be more than happy. I meets ALL my needs as it is now. But how stable is it? I am referring to the current 1.02b firmware and Raid 1 setup. But still we are talking about D-Link support, bugs, instability...

Please tell me I am worrying for nothing. neutral

//epatnor


DNS-323 • 2x Samsung SpinPoint T166 HD321KJ 320GB@1.5Gb/s • RAID1 + Linear • 1.02b • ext2

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#6 2007-03-08 13:48:38

Apskaft
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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

epatnor wrote:

Yeah, I'm getting a Gigabit switch soon, and right after that a decent sized harddrive to install in the unit. Soon thereafter, budget permitting, a second drive. Hello Raid 1.

Right now, with an old disk, WRT54GL router and quite long cables, I'm getting 4-5 MB/s at most.

How are these cheapo GB switches holding up BTW? Like Dlink 5-port, or the 3Com 5-port (the new small, dark plastic one)? They spec something about 1 or two queues etc, whats that all about and does that impact on my (rather small) network in terms of speed?

//epatnor

Long cables shouldn't be a problem as long as they are Cat5e or Cat6. Regarding GigaBit switches, check for Jumbo Frames capabilities. I don't know if the DNS-323 supports them but I know that my router (DGL-4300) doesn't.

/Apan

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#7 2007-03-08 14:14:57

Apskaft
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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

epatnor wrote:

4. ------->   BUT IS MY DATA SAFE!?! (with good quality HD:s, latest FW, Raid 1)

RAID-1 is not, and should never be seen as, a backup replacement. You'll get better reliability and less impact when a disc crashes and hopefully no down-time. But, your data is not safe. What if the HD-Controler goes berzerk? Corrupted data on both discs. I've seen it happen - discs were intact but data was lost. Also, the RAID part is software and all software contains bugs (so does HW...)

You need to ask yourself how important is your data is and how fast do yeo need access to it in the case of failure. You should not think of the DNS-323 as a safe storage for your pictures or other sensitive information.

It's a great placeholder for backups of other systems and personally I think it's a great place to store redundant media. I mean, you can always rip your CD collection to mp3's agan if you have a total breakdown.

I, personally, has decided not to use RAID-1 and are instead using the discs as standalone. Sensitive and semi-sensitive data are backed up from HDD_1 to HDD_2 frequently. Sensitive data is also backed up to DVD's and stored at the office. Non-sensitive data is only stored on one of the discs. I've decided that mp3's and movies are redundant data which I can get again if I need to. It'll be tedious, but I then finally get a chance to scrap all those mp3's never used.

/Apan

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#8 2007-03-10 01:28:13

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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

Thanks for a swift and thorough reply Apan. I guess you are right; I cannot rely on the unit alone. Backing up most critical data to DVD:s is a possibility, and "manual" mirroring between discs.

I wanted to see this unit as the ultimate safe storage solution - and forgot what can happen in the real world. I mean, what if my closet catches on fire? DNS323 gone in a blaze of flames. Joke aside - Raid 1 povides redundancy and protects against hard disc failure, which is great, but like you said - the controller might go bananas and then my precious data is down the crapper anyhow smile.

Well. Might just as well do the JBOD or Separate Discs like you, and use the extra space. But how do you mirror data between the discs on the unit? I take it you do it outside the DNS323, like using Allways Sync in Windows?

Cheers for your input //epatnor


DNS-323 • 2x Samsung SpinPoint T166 HD321KJ 320GB@1.5Gb/s • RAID1 + Linear • 1.02b • ext2

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#9 2007-03-10 20:29:52

Goose
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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

so would it right to assume that the raid 1 mirror system is not as secure as I thought, that being the case, and going for the JBOD format how and what system do you use to mirror one disc.

That withstanding, my current set up Raid 1 useing x2 250gb and the supplied backup software which after the initial backup only adds changed files...

What are the views of the quality of the software to do the job

Thanks in advance

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#10 2007-03-11 00:40:50

fordem
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Registered: 2007-01-26
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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

With regard to data safety - I've seen posts here about files being copied to the unit and either being corrupt or missing - but not been able to duplicate this on my own unit.

I've been using it for disk-to-disk backup using BackupExec with the verify option and so far I've had no reports of verify failures.

I wholeheartedly agree that mirrored disks are no substitute for backup and in fact, at this time I'm not using mirrored disks in my DNS323, but I am using it to backup mirrored disks.

The only reason I have to doubt the safety of my data is the unit's disk failure sensing - it should show a yellow front panel LED for a failed disk and if you have it enabled, send you an email - mine does neither.   I haven't had any disks fail, but I have tried to simulate disk failures in several different ways, and the unit has not once detected the failed disk.

So far I have -

a) powered it off, pulled a disk & powered it back on
b) pulled a disk with the unit running
c) installed a disk with bad sectors
d) installed a disk that reports SMART errors on startup if installed in a PC

When the bad disks are installed the unit formats them without reporting errors - you can tell that there is some sort of problem because of the length of time it takes to complete the format, or, if you are running mirrored disks, to resync after the format - but at no time has it reported a failed or defective disk.

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#11 2007-03-12 14:27:26

frodo
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From: Stockholm, Sweden
Registered: 2007-01-17
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Re: ext3 removal in latest firmware

epatnor wrote:

Well. Might just as well do the JBOD or Separate Discs like you, and use the extra space. But how do you mirror data between the discs on the unit? I take it you do it outside the DNS323, like using Allways Sync in Windows?

Cheers for your input //epatnor

I guess a nice method to better backups is to buy two DNS units.
Put on in one location and another a bit further away.
Then install rsync on your primary machine.

On the second install a fun_plug debian with perl and rsync and rsnapshot.
This one will make it possible for you to keep multiple snapshots of your primary DNS.

Thoose snapshots are created with hard links which means it normaly only uses twice the amount of storage. All depending of course of how many files are changing.

Its a really cool solution and not too expensive.

Last edited by frodo (2007-03-12 14:27:44)

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